ALIPAC: Two Dozen Strong!

Some people call this kind of organizing "astroturf" -- looks like grass, but no roots. I'm glad to know that Gheen's lot are as thin on the ground as ever.

You have truly made my day!

SJR
The Pink Flamingo

Laugh now, the bus will be picking you up shortly for a free trip back home. The free ride will soon be over.

I'm glad you liked it. Someone just commented over at The Sanctuary and said that they actually hired homeless people to hold signs. I have no way of verifying whether that's true or not, but it certainly adds to the hilarity.

I like it "astroturf". It describes ALIPAC perfectly.

Lovely. Another nativist troll that wants to deport everyone that he/she disagrees with.

It's funny how one low attendence event can be milked to death by pro-illegal supporters. You'll still be spouting off about this for months to come, go ahead, since it's about all you have.

If you bothered to look, you'll see most ALIPAC members are hard working Americans who are struggling to make ends meet and unlike illegals, don't have illegal employers granting them weekdays off to march in the streets or protest immigration laws they ignore anyway.

Yes, some are retired, some are disabled, and some can't get to events for various reasons. For those WE HAVE THE INTERNET and the facts on the destruction caused by illegal immigration are out there, but when you don't like the responses all you can do is name call; trolls, etc.

Keep on milking this one, it's all you've got.

I don't usually publish comments from ALIPAC supporters on Citizen Orange. Those that don't know how easily the Internet can be manipulated sometimes convince popular support with the dozens of supporters anti-migrant organizations have sitting at their computers typing anti-migrant comments everywhere.

I'm publishing this comment to respond to your assertion that everyone I disagree with I call a "troll". First of all, I can say the same thing for your side. You label all of us "open-borders", "pro-illegal", "amnesty supporters", but worst of all you use the word "illegal alien" to dehumanize millions of people in the U.S. That, however, does not give me the right to give ALIPAC supporters nasty names, and I will be the first one to admit that sometimes I go too far.

But, in this context, with troll, I'm not going too far. I was referring specifically to the person above that suggested I should be deported back to Mexico. That assertion is ridiculous, since I am a U.S. citizen, and completely deserving of the label troll. If you want me to define it for you, here it is:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

I was not off by using that label here.

Regarding your whole assertion that we're going to milk this one event to death, this isn't the first time there has been a poor showing of "anti-illegal immigration" supporters. Symsess from American Humanity agrees. In fact, I challenge anyone in this thread to show me any anti-migrant demonstration that has even come close to a pro-migrant demonstration's size.

You assert that "illegals" (another innacurate, ungrammatical, and offensive label) are able to demonstrate because they get time off from their employers, which is completely untrue. Migrants and their supporters face more barriers than ALIPAC supporters ever will in going out to demonstrate.

Nativists talk a big game, but when it comes time to actually show their numbers and demonstrate, they're nowhere to be found. When it comes time to show their numbers at the voting booth, their nowhere to be found, as evidenced by the inability of migrants to be a winning electoral issue at almost every level in the U.S. ALIPAC, NumbersUSA, FAIR, and all the other front groups for the same agenda, would like the U.S. public to believe that they're strong because they can get a few dozen people to comment endlessly on newspaper articles online, but we know the truth is they have nothing.

klyedeb is absolutely right. I can attest that no anti-migrant rally in the New Jersey area ever gets much support and many in the audience are from white supremacists organizations. They're always willing to lend support to these groups. One group had a highly hyped rally in Harrisburg, PA last year only to see a hundred people show up. Many of the people they 'counted' were probably walking by as there was also a multi-cultural festival ironically happening in the same area.

Other rallies of little support were held in Morristown, NJ, Lakewood, NJ (two rallies here one of which required a ticket to enter), Freeland, PA and Wilkes-Barre, PA. Every one of these rallies begins with the assertion that a low turnout does not mean little support though this quickly turns into a cry that nobody will 'stand up' for their country. The only rally with decent attendance was held in Hazleton and that was a few hundred strong. The proudest moment of this rally was when the crowd yelled to a Hispanic U.S. citizen to "go home." (video link.)

"someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community,"

My comment was in no way "off topic". You talk about low numbers from ALIPAC, and I gave several reasons. How much on-topic do you need? Oh, you only accept comments you agree with, forget about how reasonable they might be.
Pro-illegals may have had more marchers in the street, but we obviously make more impact with contacting our representatives and voting.
If you think we don't have numbers on our side, just remember it was ALIPAC, along with numbersusa and others that stopped the amnesty last June, and don't forget the DREAM Act...

I'm obviously through here :)

A couple of years ago I went to see a Minute Man rally on Capitol Hill just to watch it. There were literally more press there than Minute Men. There were about 50 people total.

I chuckled when one of the head minute men stood at the podium and threatened Congress saying that they would be voted out if they are soft on illegal aliens. With such a small crowd backing him up, I doubt anyone in Congress was concerned.

It was pretty funny.

I wasn't referring to you as a troll, but the person before who left a comment that in effect said I should be deported.

I do not only accept comments I agree with, I just ask that people posting here be willing to have an honest debate and work towards solutions. Words like "pro-illegals" certainly don't put you in a category that makes you welcome here.

I disagree, organizations like ALIPAC are not making a huge impact. All of your anti-migrant presidential candidates are out of the race, and in local elections you are all not fairing much better except in a few pockets.

Giving ALIPAC and Numbers USA credit for the defeat of CIR neglects the fact that a lot of pro-migrant organizations opposed it as well for all of its harsh enforcement.

All of this just goes to show that the only thing your side is interested in is spreading lies, and the same old talking points.

Hey El Guapo,

Welcome to Citizen Orange.

That's the ridiculous thing about all of this, is that the press actually reports on things like this. The other side is so good at making a lot of noise and making a show, when in actuality they have no real grassroots support. They talk a big game, but they've got nothing. Even Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen, just derided the movement for how crazy it has become.